B) Bud resurrected many of the 8 man front concepts during the awful end of Beamer's departure. If he went out, Rover has him. Because he lines up so close to the LOS, he has to be really good with his backpedal fundamentals to be successful, but in 2-Robber he has the flat zone strong. Instead of taking on offensive linemen as a run stuffing linebacker, he was used more to play containment or run blitz off the edge. What I do see Tech doing is forcing opponents to keep the RB/TE in there to block by blitzing the WHIP often. Registered users can participate in the forum, post and vote on comments. In terms of positions, the Stud, Whip, Mike, Field Corner and Free Safety always align toward the wide side of the field. Most college teams are not that good, but if the Hokies want to win a NC we will have to face that caliber of offense. I'd like to see those guys like McCray playing more than thatespecially down the stretch with Clemson, fsu, and Miamifresh legs all round are a gOod thing.. McCray played more against UVA and Michigan than I thought he did, and he had some good pass rush (but he was usually second in the race behind another defender.). Its a different approach from VKs 4-2-5, which dropped one SS into the box, but essentially a 4-2-5 plays like a 4-4 front against any pro-style 2-TE/1-2 back offense. The running back is supposed to take two strides playside, plant his playside leg (in this case the right leg) and select a weak spot where the defender has overrun the play. The attack from the DL is the next step, but they have to achieve their gap fit first. It also put the Whip and Rover in better positions to be successful. Nekos was pretty average size for a Hokie DE (McCray is the biggest it seems like we have had since Chris Ellis), but neither Brown nor Graves fit the new prototype of NFL type 6'6 265 DE's and 6'4 310 3-4 DE's or 4-3 DT's that we see in the SEC. This book features Bud Foster, Defensive Coordinator at Virginia Tech; Chris Ash, Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State; Mickey Matthews, former Head Coach at James . Registering for an account is free and easy. The amount of zone and safe coverages they play really is determined by the ability of the line, mike, and backer to stop the run. The below diagram lays out a typical Hokie run blitz utilized to stop the zone run to the strong side out of an I formation. That's probably the reason we lost Korren Kirven. -- French. Several things are known at the end of the first play game situation, down and distance and ball position. Playing more of the defense it ran under former coordinator Bud Foster, the unit turned in a markedly better performance against the high-powered Hurricanes in Saturday's 25-24 loss. They made popular the "G" front and took the 1985 Bears 46 defensive front as a compliment, which Tech would call the "Tuff" package. All Hokie, All the Time. I have a few questions: 1) With all the extra movement in the "radical stunts", do you see this as wearing down the front 7 more and possibly being the cause for some of the injuries, esp last year, (ex. Meanwhile, passing downs allow the Hokies to easily switch the whip for a nickel back. Also, because of the rather shorter depth of the Safeties, you can attack their run reads directly with a vertical route directly at them, like a Post or Go route up the seam. Sounds like fun doesnt it? "-John Blutarsky. I think that with their recruiting getting better, Foster may change. I played in the pre-2004 VT defense in HS at Westfield which was also a popular defense with Oakton/Robinson and I guess now South County which has Bendorf. http://www.orangeandwhite.com/news/2012/jan/21/swinney-hired-venables-br OT: "The Mandalorian" S3 discussion thread (feat. our dline is deep this season and will be dominant. Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. When Virginia Tech plays Duke on Friday night (7 ET, ESPN/ESPN App), Foster will coach his 282nd game as the Hokies' defensive coordinator. As for NFL caliber lineman. Note- things I was wrong about when I started this off: A) Backer is to the boundary. Next week will take film from the Clemson game and demonstrate exactly how the Hokies have to maintain a delicate balance between aggressive pursuit and gap responsibility in order to be effective. Maddy is going to have to really step it up to be the starter. Adobe d C The alignment is a disguise, as he has no pass coverage responsibility. This is very important information that is communicated by the coaches in the booth to the coaches on the sideline. . The middle backers have very little pass coverage responsibility, and spend significant time taking on blocks on the interior of a play. After that Boyd was able to find quick check downs due to loose coverage. You can't develop an NFL caliber lineman. . Does this really hurt us? He retained the terminology and many of the blitz schemes of the Attack Defense, and then moved the rover position back to that of a traditional strong safety. 2) This defense also seems to point out a weakness for a athletic, good hands tight end (ex. I admit, I got chills when I read Charley Wiles bullet on defensive line play: "Feet in neutral zone by the time the ball disappears into centers crouch.". I remember the first half of the Stanford OB and watching one of Stanford's 300 lb guards kick out and just flatten Eddie Whitley. The Gap Defense is grounded in a simple concept. The Gap Defense is grounded in a simple concept. Note: This is the second installment of a three part series about Virginia Techs nationally renowned defense. Virginia Tech defensive coordinator Bud Foster, who announced Thursday he would be retiring at the end of this his 33rd season, is the longest continually tenured assistant at the same school in . I think they were 6'2 or so and 270-280 lbs. pretty heavy on stunts and exchanges between the DL and LBs, Clemson Basketball Travels to NC State with Last Hope of NCAA Berth on the Line, Clemson Softball roars to fast start and high rankings. He had a concussion and it hurt our secondary. In fact, since he arrived in Blacksburg in 1995, the Hokies have led all FBS programs in sacks (894) and sack yardage (-6,110). getting after it down the LOS once it was clear the RB was not going for his gap. The "nickel" linebackers have almost no pass defense responsibility, and instead are used in a variety of blitz packages designed to outman the offensive line and force the quarterback to make quick throws, where the designed hidden coverages in the secondary await to pick off the pass. I had to go back and read about the defense given how I did not understand all the roles. Boise and Stanford both targeted the safeties. One breakdown or miscommunication and the other team could be in the end zone. Down and distance is fairly obvious. All original material and images are copyrighted by TechSideline.com and may not be reused or reprinted without permission. Can we get this thread retitled - "A Look Back at a Look Back to . Its a bit like a Tampa 2 defense, where the MLB drops back deeper in zone over the middle with 2 safeties behind, except that here youre dropping the FS down instead of backing up the MLB. Drawing on the scheme's nickel roots gives 4-2-5 teams the ability to run a divorced front concept. He doesn't believe in double-talking players, or as he continually referred to as "fork tonguing" them. And then they all have to stay on the same page through a series of on-going adjustments just before the ball is snapped. The Backer and Rover were strong side players, so they would usually align to the strong side of the formation. This column was more about the run defense, so I can work on drawing up some plays and video that shows how Clemson neutralized the Hokies in a future piece. Learn how to identity the Bear and understand how it accomplishes its goal. Steeles downfall came against spread-it-out, fast-paced systems like West Virginias. "I think one of the biggest reasons actually was Steeles defense. There are two inside linebackers in the 4-4 scheme sometimes known as the Mike and Buck linebackers. This post gave me a good chuckle. I am not sure where Antoine fits, but I find it hard to believe he will beat out Maddy with Maddy's excellent spring. Charley Wiles communicates the front call to the defensive line (stunt calls, etc). Since the scheme was tweaked, the Tech defense has finished ranked #4, #1, and #1 in the nation in total defense. Some of the biggies are game situation, down and distance, ball position, and offensive personnel. Virginia Tech's defense is in good hands with Bud Foster at the controls Skip to main . This morning, I actually stumbled across a presentation that Bud Foster made to the AFCA back in 1999. The transition from James Anderson to Brenden Hill without skipping a beat showed two things (1) the coaches know how to put different type players in a position to succeed and (2) while better defined to defend against todays offensive systems, the Whip still is a hybrid position. If you can stop the run with six, the whip or backside safety doesn't have to commit so quickly. I broke the 4th wall of telestration. This plays out when you examine the Hokies players in the NFL. After all, at Pry's introductory presser he noted he cut his teeth as a graduate assistant in the mid-90s under Foster. That would have been tough duty for a guy like Rouse, who was much better suited for the current responsibilities assigned to the Rover (1) back as a deep safety to the boundary side or (2) up at the line of scrimmage as an outside linebacker playing boundary run containment or picking up a tight end in man coverage. What VT wants to do to you is show the 8 man front, and force you to go into max-protect blocking, and then peel those extra 2 guys back into Cover 4. I heard very little about McCray in the spring. He started 79 games over an 8 year career. An 11 personnel group is one running back, one tight end, and three wide receivers. When fans get their first glimpse of the Hokies this spring, they will see a huge degree of Bud Foster influence in Brent Pry's defensive scheme. Thanks! Oh, and lets not forget the secret weapon. Hokie defensive linemen are required to have a unique ability to sometimes cover gaps that are far from where they line up, while maintaining leverage in order to prevent being knocked backwards by an offensive lineman. The Hokies showed a blitz up front, and Jayron showed a cover 3 look by bailing out and back pedaling before the snap. In an 8-man front, the Rover will rotate up closer to the line of scrimmage and align as the fourth linebacker. Based on what you said, don't the DL's all "tie" up the lines in both Bud scheme and the traditional pro-scheme? Field G front. In an obvious passing down. Bud Foster is the former longtime Virginia Tech Defensive Coordinator where he spent 33 seasons coaching. Virginia Tech Hokies football, basketball, athletics blog and forum featuring: unique columns, breaking news, film studies, in-depth analysis, recruiting, videos and jokes. For more details about the site, including a list of TechSideline.com staff, see our About page. In the diagram, Whitley (who the coaches called "the rover" last year) is lined up to the twins side, and he motions back to the middle of the field while Exum (who was the "free safety" last year) rotates up towards the line with the motion. Likewise, the End, Backer, Boundary Corner, and Rover always align toward the short side of the field. However, in the Ravens 2 gap 4-3 that they ran in their Super Bowl season, Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams only job was to keep the interior line off Ray Lewis. While he misses the tackle, he allows enough time for the other players to secure their gap and then pursue to tackle the UVA tailback for a marginal gain. 2) In a one gap 4-3, the DL wants to get up field and make plays. What VT plays most against pro-style teams is Inverted Cover 2 Robber, but the deep cover guys are the Cornerbacks, not the safeties. To the uneducated eye, the defense features two ends, two tackles, three linebackers, two safeties, and two corners just like a traditional NFL style 4-3, but Foster turns the 4-3 concept on its ear. Lets go through the sequence that takes place in the 20-30 seconds between the end of one play and the next snap. Your thoughts please. While the 8 man front may be gone, the blitz pressures and coverages remain imbedded in today's Hokie D. The "Field Strong" basically is a 4 man defensive line, two middle linebackers, and the whip linebacker playing outside as a hybrid linebacker/safety almost exclusively to the boundary side of the field. 5yltM;6#D"A.+|F'g"##PBG Wi+5~ljx3!_YJ8a7p;[Bx$60FF8x\f@-. The Hokies play a base 4-3-4 defense, meaning that there are four defensive linemen, three linebackers and four defensive backs in the base set. The design of the defense is set up to allow the Mike, Whip, or Stud DE to make the play. #Scales4Heisman. this is the best stuff and why i love TKP .. i know that teams use our schemes against us in recruiting but i love how the giants and their smaller, more athletic dline core, is being looked at by coach bud. From a fans perspective, it is easy to see that football is very challenging physically its arguably the most physical of any sport in the world. Prior to 2004, the alignment of the linebackers and safeties was based more on the strong side / weak side of the offensive formation. It was a pro-style system and designed to work against pro-style offenses, which is precisely what the Hokies system is. The doubles on the interior also give the ends more flexibility to get upfield and rush the passer. If those guys don't need much safety help, then the corners can take chances, bait QB's and mix in robber coverages to get turnovers. d88$FQ &~g?Waj }4;{S=Gg``YoF2a2XCTH#?:]=e1sp=$3_ S??oB/r~u6n?o'tm{ iu e*g[3mcXX_ endstream endobj 7 0 obj 859 endobj 12 0 obj << /Length 13 0 R /Filter /FlateDecode >> stream )jlOkD0 Nzlk}nGr(eancz#pC)vg`gd>fX&qb' h3L88ihTy%B|1ebUX9T ";*KM So, it's not surprising that the man's personality matches his philosophy when it comes to dual reads in offensive football. That was generally the wide side of the field as well, so the Backer or Rover had to cover a faster, quicker player out in open space. *:JZjz ? Think DeAndre McDaniel. Engleberger wasn't a bust. Clemson Basketball: 2014 Scholarship Roster. Its heavy on blitzes from those two hybrid players. Exactly like Clemson this year. See Tim Tebow (or Pat White at WVU.) HT-T5632U0 BcD\^}O##|^ endstream endobj 13 0 obj 45 endobj 10 0 obj << /Type /XObject /Subtype /Image /Name /I22 /Filter /DCTDecode /Width 32 /Height 3 /BitsPerComponent 8 /ColorSpace /DeviceGray /Length 11 0 R >> stream Never forget Aaron Rodgers literally laughing at our defense. James Anderson is the only Hokie alumni who is a starter in the front 7 of an NFL team. I have no expectations that Antoine will start this year coming off that injury coupled with his history of not being as hard a worker. Look at Florida under Urban Meyer. The FS himself will play Robber over the very middle of the field and watches the eyes of the QB to take away intermediate routes, yet against the run hes a 9th man in the area to fill a gap. "#()%$%%! The Chargers' defense ranked last in third-down conversion percentage (49.54%), 30th in rushing yards allowed per game (138.9), 30th in points allowed per game (27.0) and 23rd in yards allowed . pretty cool to look back on it from time to time. For that reason, some teams found success by running weak side out of those spread formations. As for tight ends, teams that play tight ends usually end up with the rover or free safety covering them. I think we see the Hokies playing a ton of 4-4G man this year, with next to no pass coverage responsibility by the mike and backer. Thoughts? Stanford also used formation to create matchup problems. The Tigers first-half offensive struggles were too much to overcome in a 64-57 loss. "My advice to you is to start drinking heavily. Mr. Hokie Cody Grimm was moved to the secondary (which is funny given that pass coverage was his greatest weakness as a Hokie.) It is a scheme that looks complicated, but yet is very simple. I saw that and knew we were in trouble. This "Field G" is mostly what Virginia Tech is in nowadays. I understand explaining that might as well be another post but it would be facinating stuff. Also BF has talked about wanting to change the "DNA" of our DL referencing Ala. and LSU's D-lines. That left situations where Motu was one on one with a big athletic TE going down the seam. It is actually not a 4-3 base, as its introduced on your TV sets, but is a 4-4 front that has morphed into using 4-3 personnel. 3) Finally, as stated in #2 above, this seems to be a heavy run control D and if we don't have super talented CB's who can cover their man without help we could get burned in the passing game real quick. Likewise, by no longer asking the Rover to man up against speedy slot receivers to the wide side of the field allows linebacker / safety type athletes like Aaron Rouse to be successful at that position. Defensive Alignment in the Four-Four In the 90's, Bud Foster used two alignments with the 4-4 defense. Whether you've been running the 4-2-5 defense for years or you're looking to implement the scheme for the first time, . Speaking of personnel groups and formations, have you ever wondered what Bud Foster and Charley Wiles are doing with all the hand signals between plays? The architect of Tech's famed Lunch Pail Defense, Foster was the longest continually tenured FBS assistant coach at the same school at the time of his retirement in 2019. This is particularly true when the Whip or Rover is aligned on a slot WR -- hell come hard on the blitz pretty often. Also when the offense sets into Trips, you're not able to play a true C4. Other teams began to use a lot of quick passes and/or maximum protection blocking schemes to counter Techs blitz tendencies. This allows the players to react instinctively and play with more confidence. Jack Tyler can't cover a rock, so CBF adjusts his schemes and defensive calls to account for that. 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